A decent PPV gearing up towards Vince Russos shining moment in his Survivor Series 1998 booking. The matches are all filled with decent action that was better overall than Breakdown. The ending of the main event made the fans unhappy and was not very conclusive in retrospect. Kane vs. Undertaker was entirely played out at this point as a fresh match up. Raws surrounding this period were so great and memorable that it is disappointing that WWF had two bad efforts back to back on PPV.
Post by lifelongwwefan on Feb 9, 2013 20:53:24 GMT -5
The WWF returns to Chicago as Judgment Day is upon us and only 3 weeks removed from Breakdown. Al Snow and Marc Mero kick things off in a decent Opener. Snow gets the win with the Snowplow as his popularity continues to rise. Christian makes his PPV Debut challenging Taka Michinoku for the Light Heavyweight Title. I liked this Match and it probably should have been what the Division was all about overall. Christian wins his 1st Title with a small package countering the Michinoku Driver. LOD & Droz take on the DOA & Paul Ellering in a 6-Man Tag Match which is not bad. LOD gets the win in their last hurrah on PPV. Val Venis takes on the returning Goldust in a pretty good Match. Goldie gets revenge and the win shattering the Big Valbowski. D-Lo Brown & X-Pac meet for the European Title in another great Match between these two. X-Pac once again becomes European Champion with an X-Factor catching the Champ in mid-air. New Age Outlaws defend the Tag Titles against the Headbangers and get by with the skin of their teeth when Road Dogg causes a DQ smashing Mosh with a boombox. Ken Shamrock defends his newly won IC Title against Mankind after winning the previous Monday on RAW and Triple H handing it to him during Heat. Pretty good Match here as well with Shamrock retaining after Foley applies the Mandible Claw to himself while in the Anklelock. The Rock takes on former Nation Teammate Mark Henry and loses in a pretty big upset thanks to D-Lo. Finally our Main Event as Undertaker & Kane meet to crown a New WWF Champion with Stone Cold Steve Austin as Referee. The Match is ok at best and Paul Bearer returns. He turns on Kane and Undertaker smacks Kane with a Chair which then leads to Austin stunning Taker and counting both men down. Stone Cold declares himself the Winner and Vince comes out firing Austin for not raising a Winner's hand. Overall a better PPV overall than last month and we have not seen the last of Steve Austin. See you guys for Survivor Series.
This for me was a ppv full of surprises. Like, " surprise another DOA vs LOD match!" Not knowing who Christian was and him coming out of nowhere to win the light heavyweight belt was a bit if a shocker, but I was pleased as I felt TAKA was getting stale. And Henry beating Rock??? Overall not a bad show but one that pales in comparison to the build. The image of Vince McMahon sitting in a wheelchair between two attack dogs screaming at Austin about being 'violated' and threatening to "FIRE YOUR ASS THIS SUNDAY!" Will forever be etched in my mind as my favorite moment of their epic feud.
Post by stevejrogers on Feb 9, 2013 21:01:58 GMT -5
I can see the frustration after this show, yeah you need the title off of Austin in order to play out the storyline heading into November, and then the road to Wrestlemania. But still, Austin was stripped on September 27th, and there hasn't been a champion since, and there won't be until mid-November. Typical Russo using the title as if he is proving CM Punk's words about it being another "imaginary brass ring."
Anyway, nice debut PPV for Christian, and X-Pac regaining the Euro title. Bit interesting that they had Henry go over the face turned Rock in the Nation split match. Granted the Nation "leader" needed the blow off win, but it is interesting that Rocky loses at the PPV before Survivor Series.
Post by mrseantaylor on Feb 9, 2013 21:31:43 GMT -5
Greetings from the Teacher's Lounge. Love the show and never miss it.
Judgment Day was really a show revolving around one match. But the undercard was a great exhibit of the great talent the WWE had back then.
First up was Al Snow and Marc "No Really! I Can Draw Without Sable! Honestly!!" Mero. Funny that Jarrett tries to get into the match. They could have had Jarrett vs Mero in a Loser Leaves Town and Nobody Cares Match. Snow gets the win. By the way, Snow was hearing voices in his head before Randy Orton made it cool.
LOD 2000 vs DOA - Couldn't find a video to re-watch but I can tell you that as a fan since 1988, this was a dark time for LOD and Droz was a poor fit. Plus seeing Paul Ellering managing against LOD is enough to make someone get drunk and find a giant screen to throw yourself from.
Christian vs Taka Michinoku for the Lightheavyweight Title was a good high flyer match with Christian winning the title in his debut match. Edge watches from stands saying to himself, "Taka is a good bad guy but I bet he would be better if he was EEEVVVILLLLL". To which a fan next to him remarked, "Indeed."
Val Venis loses to Goldust as Dustin reveals it was Goldust that "HE" was referring to. Match was alright. Unfortunately, my fellow Canadian ended up on the losing end but what do you expect when you're a porn star and your opponent's finishing move is an illegal kick to the Venis.
Next is D-Lo Brown vs X-Pac in a Who Has A Better Hyphenated Name Match. While I think both of these were very talented, neither really grabbed my attention as far as their characters. X-Pac gets the win while Mark Henry tells Chyna that's he's hungry. Chyna would make a note to bring Mark a delicious Sammy-wich.
The Tag belts were on the with the Headbangers taking on the second greatest tag team in the Attitude Era, The New Age Outlaws (E&C are the 1st). Match ends in a DQ when Road Dogg smashes a boombox over Thrasher's head. Do you think Dogg got a bonus from JVC for promoting their JVC KaBoombox on PPV?
IC Belt defended by Shamrock over Mankind in a thrown out match. I was never a fan of Shamrock so hearing Mankind say that Shamrock swings a chair like a girl made me laugh. This was a time filler for Mankind considering how his year would end.
Next, The Rock takes on the Black Hole of Charisma, Mark Henry. Has anyone else ever noticed that Mark Henry doesn't wear a cup in the ring leaving his junk to just press up against his tights? Yeah, try not to see that on SmackDown this week. Anyways, Rock loses thanks to D-Lo's interference. Oh well, we'll see who's career takes off in just a short month's time.
It's the main event, with Kane vs Undertaker with Stone Cold as the ref. While the match itself wasn't anything to write home about, it was all about the ending. Stone Cold counts both men down, declares himself the winner, which prompts Vince to make good and fire Austin. Fans who weren't around at that time might toss this away as a cheap marketing ploy but this was at the height of the Monday Night War and there was a real belief that Austin COULD have actually been fired. Would we see Austin vs Goldberg in a WCW ring? Maybe not, but the following month's programming would lead to one of the greatest PPVs in history.
The Raws after Judgment Day had some of the best storyline writing of the Attitude Era. You guys should consider doing a Raw by Raw breakdown on one of your shows.
All I have to say is "SCREW YOU YOUR"RE FIRED" What a way to end the Judgement Day PPV. Paul Bearer returns and joins up with the Undertaker once again, Goldust returns, Shamrock has a change in attitude, Rock is getting fan support, but not for long, and LOD make their final PPV appearance as a team, and I think this is the only time that Animal, Hawk, & Droz teamed up together in a match. Bring on SURVIVOR SERIES.
I wonder if the folks in Chicago felt ripped off that night? This is pretty much a nothing show Breakdown and Raw pretty much told the story of the lead up to survivor series. Judgment day felt more like heat. My opinion is do whatever you can to watch raw from breakdown to survivor series and don't bother with this one.
Post by 666thegame666 on Feb 9, 2013 23:35:55 GMT -5
Al Snow vs Mero: Its clear here that Mero is on the way out seeing he looses this match. I know Snow had come back in September but Mero had been given a decent push in the middle of the year and now hes loosing on PPV quite a lot. The match is not a good openner especially coming after Edge and Owen last month
LOD vs DOA: Christ we get another match between these two teams. I guess its different than the match at Fully Loaded with the Paul Ellering factor but still did we really need another match between these fucking teams. DOA need to fuck off for good and LOD sadly need to leave also.
Christian vs TAKA: First title match of the night and TAKA finds his way back onto PPV as a singles wrestler for some time. We get our first match from Christian the mystery man from Breakdown. In a shock he ends TAKAs title run and is crowned the new Lightheavyweight Champion. Great match best of the night so far.
Goldust vs Val Venis: So rematch from last months mess. Runnels has come back as Goldust and not no weird ass Goldust but Classic Goldust. The match once again is complete shit. Goldust gets his win back.
X-Pac vs D-Lo Brown: Another great match from these two. I think this is better than Fully Loaded. X-Pac wins the European Title ending D-Lo reign of representing Europe.
Headbangers vs NAO: This really is random. What the fuck have the headbangers done all year and now they are getting a shot at the tag titles. Match is complete ass as the Outlaws retain through a DQ win.
Ken Shamrock vs Mankind: Another great match. The pattern of this show is that all the mid card title matches have been great while everything else is just ass. I still find it weird watching this seeing Foley compete for the IC title. But none the less we get a great match and Shamrock continues his IC run.
Mark Henry vs Rock: This is the worst thing on this show. Mark Henry beats The Rock honestly WTF. Rock is the 2nd most over face in WWF behind Austin and they beat him to a guy who missed over a year through injury for no reason. The match is fucking awful.
Kane vs Undertaker: God this is bad. These two guys matches really got worse as the year went on. Austin is the highlight as the ref. So we get Austin getting the pin and somehow becoming the WWF champion cos He Said He is. Another cliffhanger ending to a PPV to build up to another epic Raw on Monday.
Overall this show is one of them shows which is manily awful but has 3 really good matches. I dont think the 3 matches are enough to make this show a thumbs up.
1. Al Snow def Marc Mero *½ 2. LOD def DOA ½* 3. Christian def TAKA *** 4. Goldust def Van Venis *½ 5. X-Pac def D-Lo Brown ***½ 6. Headbangers DQ NAO *¼ 7. Ken Shamrock def Mankind ***¼ 8. Mark Henry def The Rock ½* 9. Undertaker No Contest Kane -*½
Love the Vintage Vaults, been listening to them in order, up to SummerSlam 1992, but had to chime in on this one, as it was the first PPV I attended live after years of just house shows. As usual my dad (a casual observer at best) would get lost on our drive from the far southwest side of the city to Rosemont, and end up needing directions which would result in my dad swearing about how the WWF should hold shows at the United Center. With that intro out of the show, this is not a good show. Opener is crap, as Mero was heatless as could be from June of 98 if Sable wasn't involved although Snow continued to get hotter. LOD-DOA really pissed me off because I felt they should have given the LOD one last shot at the tag titles, since this is in Chicago and they would have maybe been able to get hot one more time. Instead we get the same boring ass match we got at Over the Edge and Fully Loaded. Christian-TAKA was a pretty good match although kind of came out of nowhere. Goldust's return was cool, but the match itself just felt like a waste of time. X-Pac-D-Lo probably was match of the night, and was on par with a lot of the matches they had around this time, as both were moving up the mid-card totem pole. As I said I think they should have had LOD challenge for the tag titles here, and just scrapped DOA and Headbangers from the card and let NAO and LOD have a crazy brawl similar to the Street fight from WM 13. Shamrock-Mankind always pissed me off as a huge Foley mark, but it is a pretty stiff and rough match. Mark Henry defeating the Rock really pissed off the crowd I remember, and that's about all I remember about that. Undertaker-Kane continues their downward trend in matches and the main event sucks a big one. Austin as referee keeps it somewhat interesting and the show ended with the classic Vince "Screw you Austin, you're firrrrrrred!" Overall the show is pretty crappy from a match standpoint, but the main angle is done well, although Mankind and Rock are pretty clearly in a holding pattern. This show gets a pass from me on the WrestleMania I precedent, where the historical value overshadows the actual quality of the show. Glad I got to go to WrestleMania 22, 23 and Money in the Bank 11 to add some teeth to my PPV apparences. Great job, love the shows!
My friend and I drove down last minute to the show. Our seats were so bad, we were literally above and behind the Titantron. As I told Justin on FB, I remember virtually nothing about this show, and the previous reviews remind me why. Enjoyed seeing the huge influx of young talent, including the Hardys in singles squash matches, the really great Taka/Christian match, and Test's ridiculous back acne, which we could make out despite our horrific seats.
I went with another friend to Raw the next night, and I recall Christopher Daniels being in a dark tag team match.
This must be one of the only events that people would have paid just to see a referee. This was a mixed bag of a show. Al Snow and Marc Mero was a bit of a dull starter, and then it was followed by another segment of the world's worst feud, LOD vs DOA. Taka Michinoku finally defends the Light Heavyweight title again, and loses it to Christian in our first decent match. They really should have opened the PPV with this match. Goldust returns to the ring, and defeats Val following the debut of Shattered Dreams. I always liked this match for some reason, probably because it was so different to the the previous months match. X-Pac and D-Lo have a fairly good match, but it was sadly followed by a underwhelming Tag Title match. I was surprised that the Outlaws and the Headbangers did not have better chemistry. Mankind has another outstanding match, this time with Ken Shamrock, as Mankind submits to himself in a funny yet cool moment. Rock drags a semi-decent match out of Mark Henry. Finally, Austin steals the main event with a great referee performance, which was needed seeming that Undertaker and Kane probably had their worst match of the year. The final moments were fantastic, as Austin declares himself the winner and dares McMahon to fire him, which Vince gladly does.
Some good moments mixed with some bad moments, but the build of the Austin/McMahon story was outstanding.
Post by Half an Onionloaf on Feb 13, 2013 10:33:57 GMT -5
Steve Van Kooten
I wasn't watching the WWF at the time (I was firmly entrenched in WCW), but it was hard to ignore what Austin and McMahon were doing around this time. EVERYBODY at school was talking about Austin/McMahon, while I sat confused... nobody cared that DDP was the #1 contender for Goldberg's title! What the Hell?!
I didn't watch this show for several years, but when I did I pretty much shrugged it off as a whatever show; there wasn't anything extraordinary nor did it seem like the WWF was aiming to do so. I thought DOA vs. LOD, Mero vs. Snow, and Bangers vs. NAO were just "there" matches that were neither well worked or had much in the way of storyline significance. D-Lo vs. X-Pac and Christian vs. Taka were good matches at least and Venis vs. Goldust was buoyed by a solid, slightly perverse storyline (it's odd when people start rooting for the adulterous man-whore heel). Considering what would happen to Terri later on in her personal life, one must assume that Russo was at the very least a decent prognosticator. Henry vs. Rock didn't make sense at the time; however, it's a rare of example of smart mid-term booking.
Shamrock vs. Mankind is a fun match and my match of the night without much question; Foley and Shamrock overcame some chemistry issues early and gave us something of a dirty gem. It's not the perfect match, but it told a compelling story and did both men's hard hitting styles justice. The biggest flaw is the ending which was neither very well presented or realistic. Shamrock deserved the win as Foley was pretty much bullet proof at the time, so give him the rub from making the sadistic Mankind tap out. Anyway, both of these guys are favorites of mine, so maybe I'm a bit biased. Still, great match.
Undies vs. Kane with Ref. Austin. Okay, I liked their Mania match, their Inferno match, and the RAW match that lead to Kane's title win at KOTR; however, this match SUCKED in the worst way. Slow, plodding, one dimensional, and entirely built to focus on Steve Austin; the match wasn't supposed to be any good because Austin was the focal point of the entire match, which I think speaks more how poor this entire thing was on a conceptual level. This simply wasn't a good idea and far away from a necessary evil; there are plenty of ways the WWF could've gotten us to Deadly Games without burning a main event on this shit! Also, Kane and Taker were both stale as Hell here and both men would get a needed facelift when they separated from each other. I like both guys, but their careers were both better for going their separate ways. I can't wait 'til we get to Satantic Taker and Ladies Man Kane!
EDIT: Well, fuck me, I missed the deadline! I'll Try again--less poorly I assure--at Survivor Series!
Hey, Don't really remember this show so I read up on it after listening to fill in the blanks. You guys said Henry beat Rock clean, which I couldn't believe, so I looked it up and wiki said D-Lo distracted Rock and then held Henry's feet down for leverage on the pin. Is this what really went down? Or, in the words of the Hurricane, "Wassup wit dat"?