Post by stevejrogers on Feb 18, 2013 15:02:52 GMT -5
This is Russo's finest hour in terms of over-booking and craziness, but it all makes sense here. Probably because Russo hadn't quite get to his own head yet.
It's the type of show that needed to be chaotic based on the nature of the Main Event storyline at the time, and it didn't disappoint. Sets up The Rock as a true Main Event Superstar, and helps transition Mick into the lovable underdog that he pretty much is today.
Mike Poulin This is a decent Survivor Series. The two big surprises of the show are Shane turning heel on Austin and screwing him out of the title and then the first of many rehashes of the Screw Job with Rock defeating Mankind in the first of many great matches between now and St Valentine's Day Massacre and the Austin/Mcmahon rivalry continues.
Very little remembrance of the show other than it had it felt like a 100 matches with every tournament match being no more than 5 minutes each. I don't remember at the time it being a train wreck but a few years ago I did re-visit the PPV and found it to be everything that is terrible with Vince Russo booking. So match happened on the show that it's hard to really remember anything that happened.
For me, this is the last fairly good period for Russo as it begins to go downhill from here, reaches its low point around June and goes up and down until he leaves with the overall show quality picking back up in 2000. Some good storytelling here and there (love the Austin/Foley screwjob) and Rock winning was done really well, though the tournament is actually pretty sloppily executed until the Austin/Foley match. Russo and tournaments, like a meatball sub and mac and cheese at one in the morning, are really not a good combo. Give me the Wrestlemania IV title tournament any day.
There are some notable firsts as the show not only features Rock's first WWF Title win and his rather poor version of the sharpshooter, but it also features the first Rock Undertaker match, a matchup which only worked when Kurt Angle was thrown into the mix in 2002.
Rock's heel turn is pretty damn great, though I'm not sure you can really call it a turn as he was still technically a heel, albeit one who was getting cheered, but it still kicks off a really great (though at times hard to watch) feud. I also got a chuckle from the crack Lawler made about the fans getting to see the entire show, referencing the Halloween Havoc 1998 debacle.
As with most stuff from 1998 and 1999, not a great overall show (in terms of match quality it's actually pretty awful apart from Austin/Foley) but a very memorable one.
The Magnum Opus for Vince Russo booking is on display at this show. None of the matches are great but that can be forgiven by the story-telling involved. Bossman losing in 4 seconds made so much sense considering who his opponent was. Shane screwing over Stone Cold was a genius way to eliminate Stone Cold and it featured Vince, Briso, and Pat skipping gleefully away from the ring. The main event made Mankind a true sympathetic babyface and a main eventer and catapulted Rock into what we know him today as. Great PPV.
Post by mrseantaylor on Feb 18, 2013 16:37:40 GMT -5
Survivor Series 1998 was a PERFECT pay-per-view. In my opinion, it was the best PPV offering since WrestleMania VI. Usually the main event will have the biggest build up but for Survivor Series, the build up was for the entire show. I vividly remember watching this show in my home with friends. The Shane McMahon turn was a shock and anyone who says differently is lying - plain and simple. I remember predicting that Rock and the quote/unquote Corporate Champion, Mankind would likely end up in the finals and even that Rock would likely win but was completely surprised that he joined the McMahons. It was like watching Sixth Sense for the first time and seeing all of the evidence of Rock's easy way to the finals at the end of the show. Even the finish with the screwjob callback was shocking because the Montreal incident was still - at that time - a taboo among fans. Nobody even fathomed it would have come back and again, if anyone says differently, they're lying.
A lot of people will say that the wrestling quality wasn't the greatest in this era but I think they are forgetting that wrestling isn't about match quality. Great match quality is certianly an icing on the cake but pro wrestling is all about the entire package. In the Attitude Era, there are memorable and fantastic matches that weren't technically sound, but they were filled with story, passion, and emotion. That's what made the Attitude Era so special and why it's considered a golden era.
I think it's unfair to give the credit for the greatness of this PPV to Vince Russo primarily. Vince McMahon was still in charge and had the final say. To me, this was a case of Vince McMahon being spot on the pulse of the fans and allowing the perfect chain of events to happen in order to pay off the fans with a memorable show that anyone who considers themselves to be a wrestling fan not only should but NEEDS to own.
An absolute booking masterpiece! Like its predecessor, WrestleMania IV, there are many paralells. Both were perfectly booked shows, both had the perfect guy winning it. What each tournament lacked in stand out matches, made up for with logical booking and storyline advancement. I cannot find any fault with anything they did. The brilliant part about it was that there was enough suspense going into the show where you could logically see them going in a multitude of directions. In the end, the right guy won. Unfortunately there wouldn't be much logic surrounding the writing and booking in 1999 so my suggestion to everyone is savor this masterpiece!
PPV event was pretty good, and I think this is the only event to feature the most matches ever with 18 matches, if you count Heat and the dark match. Mania 4 comes in 2nd place. I've always heard that Shawn Michaels was rumored to be in the tournament. Shane turns heel, Sable is slowly starting to change her attitude, Rock turns on the fans, after getting support from them, and Austin is just plain MAD. Vince is starting probably in my opinion the 2nd biggest heel faction in the Attitude Era, the Corporate Team. I think the WWE needs a big faction now with Heyman, Lesnar, Punk, the Shield, Dolph Ziggler, AJ Lee, & Big E Langston. Congrats for your BIG 200th episode. P.S. I'm taking Jay Hinchey's Trivia Tournament title in the 2013 tournament.
Last Edit: Feb 18, 2013 17:04:45 GMT -5 by rcs1988
really enjoyed this PPV when watching it at the time but looking back im slightly disappointed that there wasnt any traditional Survivor Series matches. loved the screw jobs on both Austin and Mankind. Keep up the great work guys. ur podcasts keep me going on the 90min journey i hav twice a day to work an back
Post by icemandave on Feb 18, 2013 21:26:59 GMT -5
This is a great event, with one of the best Tournaments ever put together. I have especially fond memories of this event as here in Australia it was shown (in an edited format) on free-to-air television 2 weeks after it was held in an effort to capitalise on the huge growth in popularity Wrestling had achieved in Australia. Sadly the run on free TV did not last long.
A well worked event that saw a lot of action and chaos. I loved the introduction for Duane Gill, and the crowd chanting for HBK before he was announced, Big Bossman getting DQ'd against Austin, and Vince enjoying the moment, but then later was angry that Austin was getting a bye. I loved the Rock beating the Bossman in no time at all. In the second round we are sadly subjected to another Undertaker vs Kane match (our 4th confrontation on PPV in 9 months), which is just another boring snooze-fest. Rock takes down Shamrock in a return to their feud after Bossman stuffs up again. Then we get the great McMahon ref swerve in the semi when Austin has Mankind beaten. This was a great moment. Finally, we get the first ever "revisit" of Montreal when McMahon calls for the bell when Rock has Mankind in the Sharpshooter. At the time, it appeared innovative, but sadly would become copied several times in future years. Rock reaches the pinnacle, while Mankind's face turn is completed as Rock turns heel, and we are ready for a great few months leading up to Wrestlemania.
Sadly the non tournament matches did not set the world on fire as Sable gets carried by Jaqueline to the women's title, and the Outlaws retain in triple threat. The best bit of this match is just after Roaddogg does his speel, he notices a sign in the crowd that has the whole "Tag Team Champions of the World" bit, points it out to Billy and they have a good chuckle.
In the end however, a very enjoyable and history-changing event.
Post by 666thegame666 on Feb 18, 2013 23:03:25 GMT -5
This is the true defenition of a Russo show. A bunch of short matches with the majority being complete pieces of shit.
1. Mankind vs Duane Gill: Well this was a complete nothing.
2. Al Snow vs Jeff Jarrett: Surprisingly they put Snow over Russos boy. Match sucked ass. DUD
3. Steve Austin vs Big Bossman: Well Bossman is back and hes looking cool in his swat gear. Austin wins in anoth er shit match ½* 4. X-Pac vs Steven Regal: God the Regal theme is awesome. This match should of been better. ¾*
5. Shamrock vs Goldust: Shamrock wins with the ankle lock in what has been the best match of the show thus far. *½
6. The Rock vs Big Bossman: Didn't Bossman loose to Austin already. Why is he in whatever we call this. No Rating
7. Undertaker vs Kane: After the mess last month they had the balls to have another match with these two. This is just as bad DUD
8. Mankind vs Al Snow: Not to the quality of their ECW matches. ½*
9. Rock vs Shamrock: Good match between these two. Rock moves on to the final. ***
10. Sable vs Jacqueline: Womens title is back and the fuck head Russo decided that classy worker Sable should win it. Is this feud over yet. *
11. Mankind vs Austin: Mankind gets the shock win after Shane McMahon screws Austin out of the title match. This was quite the solid match obviously not the level of their stuff from the spring but still a shining light on this show. ***
12. Rock vs Taker: New match up and well its poor. Rock advances to the final. ¾*
13. NAO vs The Nation vs Headbangers: This seems out of place on this show but what the hell. Outlaws win cos why the fuck would the Headbangers win. *
14. Mankind vs Rock: The match this show is known for on this awful mess. Rock becomes the WWF champion after we get a worked version of Montreal as Rock becomes the corporate champion turning on the fans. Ill never get why they turned Rock when he was getting hot with the fans. But still we get a new champion. ***½
Overall this show is a fucking piece of trash and shows how bad Russo is at booking a wrestling show and how poor the majority of the WWF mid card is compared to WCW.
Not the greatest show as far as in ring work goes but still very entertaining to watch thanks to the tournament. Unfortunately the non tournament matches were pretty weak, especially the awful tag match where the ref had to keep stopping his count because people kept forgetting to break the pin. They all looked like a bunch of amateurs. I was glad to see Big Bossman back and in a fairly big role as he was always a favorite of mine. Being Vince's enforcer was great role for him. We get the first and unfortunately last PPV of the Real Man's Man Steven Regal. Such a shame that they did all those awesome vignettes for him and then he barely lasted a month. I wonder if X-Pac was legit hurt at the end of their match as they announced the sudden death after their draw but then he was just like whatever and left as everyone was just standing around looking confused. Weird. The tournament was booked perfectly with Vince trying to make things as tough as possible on Austin while secretly helping Rock. It ended up accomplishing everything they wanted as it put over Rock as a jerk sellout heel, put sympathy on Mankind for being suckered, and made you want to see Austin get revenge for getting screwed over.
Back for the 1st time since my live recap of Survivor Series 96. Since this Survivor Series is different from all others, so will this recap be different... ...CAUSE IT'S A DEADLY GAME... ...GOLD-BERG, GOLDBERG... ...DUANE GILL?!... ...HEAD HEAD HEAD... ...BOSS MAN WITH THE NIGHTSTICK... ...HE'S A MAAAAAAN, SUCH A MAAAAAAN... ...GOLDUST TAPPED... ...BOSS MAN AGAIN? THAT'S IT?... ...THE BROTHERS OF DESTRUCTION... ...SOCKO IS TIED AROUND HEAD... ...ROCK CATCHES THE STICK... ...SABLE BOMB, NEW CHAMPION!... ...SHANE MCMAHON? SHANE JUST SCREWED AUSTIN!... ...KANE CAUSES THE DQ, ROCK'S GOING TO THE FINALS... ...FAMEASSER, OUTLAWS RETAIN... ...SHARPSHOOTER? WHAT THE HELL?... ...RING THE DAMN BELL!... ...NO, NOT THIS AGAIN... ...MCMAHON SCREWED MANKIND... ...ONCE AGAIN, SOMEBODY GOT SCREWED AT THE SURVIVOR SERIES... ...ROCK IS CHAMPION... ...THE CORPORATE CHAMPION...