Foley's title win was one of the few wrestling moments that brought me to tears. The breaking glass set off the most legendary crowd pop in history, nice job JR! Of course, Paterson offering Kane a cigarette and a condom was a personal comedic highlight along with Sammy's introduction.
Post by kingmander on Feb 26, 2013 14:58:24 GMT -5
A night of wrestling that still divides opinion to this day. A night where Eric Bischoff tried to be too clever for his own good and it spectacularly backfired. It's a shame cos WCW put on a pretty good episode of Nitro but unfortunately they missed out on the ratings they desperately craved by trying to belittle Mick Foley and the WWF. Still I think the importance of the Fingerpoke of Doom has been grossly exaggerated and I really don't believe this was necessarily the beginning of the end for WCW cos if they hadn't fucked up here then they would have just done it further down the line as we will see. By the way, why did it take Goldberg so long to get back to the arena from the police station which I am pretty sure was only over the road? And why was he wearing that awful maroon jacket?!
Post by str8edge80 on Feb 26, 2013 15:39:50 GMT -5
A truly historic night in the Monday night wars. I actually thought Nitro was the better show on this night----until the main events. Mankind winning the WWF Championship, thanks in part to THE POP!, was a great moment. Made better by Vince's reaction of true disgust and despair. On Nitro the finger poke of doom, while lame, was not the beginning of the end as it has been made out to be. That ship was already sinking, although reforming a united elite nWo to feed Goldberg was not a terrible idea.
The one thing about this night is the misconception that the fingerpoke killed WCW. First of all Raw was already beating Nitro in the ratings pretty steadily. The fingerpoke Nitro did a 4.9 rating and the following week did a 5.0 so they gained viewership. The Thunder episode following the fingerpoke was the 2nd highest Thunder ever. It was Wcw's failure to follow up with Goldberg going threw the NWO to get the title back from Hogan on a big PPV is what killed WCW, that and Jamie Keller
The fact is, there was no single "moment" that caused WCW's demise. The company slowly imploded from the inside out over the course of a few years. The Fingerpoke of Doom was certainly symbolic as a catalyst, indicative of PART of what made WCW fold, but it was not the singular reason. Far from it, Dude. But hindsight proves that this night was a remarkable example of a microcosm of why one company succeeded and another failed.
The glass shattering and the pop was fantastic, but Mick Foley running around the ring, practically hyper-ventilating with excitement over winning the title, is what really stands out on this night for me. It's a common practice to equate Shawn Michael's first World Championship win with the old standard "living the childhood dream" cliche', but to me, Foley's genuine childlike enthusiasm for finally reaching the pinnacle of his career was much more authentic and rewarding. There was no sense of entitlement with Foley. Stars of today should take note of moments like these in an effort to bring credibility back to the titles.
This night was not "the" moment where the tide turned and WWF defeated WCW, but it was undoubtedly a watershed moment for anyone who loves this industry.
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Post by lifelongwwefan on Feb 26, 2013 16:50:48 GMT -5
Probably the most infamous night in the Monday Night Wars with Nitro here in Atlanta (I did not attend however) and RAW in Worcester Mass. The Fingerpoke of Doom while it did not directly lead to WCW's downfall I just couldn't look at WCW the same after that. All it did was make Goldberg look like a fool so the nWo could have one more ride by continuing to swallow up the Company. I still watched Nitro & Thunder over the next couple months but by the Spring/Summer I had pretty much given up on them. However I have gone back & watched alot of what I had missed from WCW during that period.
Despite Bischoff giving away Mick Foley's Title win on RAW is still one of the Best Moments ever. The pop Austin got that night was amazing when his Music hit and cracking Rock with the Chair.
Dennis Nunez. One of the most important nights in the history of wrestling! People tend to forget that WCW didn't actually spoil Mick winning the title. It was actually the WWF themselves that spoiled the big moment! I remember going on WWF.com the morning after the taping of Raw & seeing right there on their main page that Mankind had defeated the Rock for the WWF title. I believe that it was the first time that they had intentionally spoiled a surprise like that. Already knowing that Mick would win the belt took away some of the suspense from the match. What it did instead was make the show much more exciting & special to watch knowing that you were gonna witness history! Meanwhile the idiots on Nitro decided to shoot themselves in the ass by hyping Hogan coming out of retirement or the hole that he masturbates to himself in & challenge Nash for the WCW belt & it ends up being a giant fuck you to all their fans that were watching as their collective IQs were dropping seeing the Finger Poke Of Doom! Everything else that would happen to WCW here on out was rightly deserved! There's really nothing else to say about it. The fact that they could actually do that to their audience on live tv says enough about "where the big boys play."
A chickenfried steak sandwich is the Undisputed Champion?
Post by jpchicago23 on Feb 26, 2013 17:17:18 GMT -5
Justin Pratt aka The Vanilla Gorilla,
Having just watched both of these episodes recently its still pretty fresh in my mind. This was a period when WCW was on fire with the Wolfpack and Hogan was out of the picture for a little while. With Goldberg and Nash both being over big time Hogan must have got jealous and came back to put the kibosh on that. In one night Goldberg gets arrested for sexual harrasment or stalking and Nash jobs out to a finger poke. This not only cooled off Goldberg as the streak was dead and he looked like an ass in his own hometown but it killed the Wolfpack which was over like crazy. The finger poke of doom was actually a well worked angle but it shouldnt've been Nash to job that way and the timing sucked. A guy who just ended Goldbergs streak dropping the title like that just made everyone look worse. It looked like Nash couldnt be a leader so he joined back with Hogan, it made Goldberg look worthless as he wasnt even involved, and it did nothing for Hogan as it just showed that he needed Nash to beat Goldberg for him and now we're supposed to believe that Hogan still reigns supreme? Even if the Foley title win didnt happen this would be a total shitfest on WCW's behalf.
Post by icemandave on Feb 26, 2013 20:00:18 GMT -5
One night, Two shows, Lasting Consequences. Living in Australia, the two shows were never head-to-head, and I found out both sets of results online before I ever got to see anything. I think the bigger issue for people is Tony Schiavione's comments about Foley that aired. Foley covers all this in his book, but I think this was the biggest factor on the night, as it led to people changing channels. Foley was great all night, attacking Shane McMahin, and then beating The rock for the belt- it was great TV. The "fingerpoke" was a problem, not because it happened but because it put the belt back on Hogan, and put Goldberg out of the title picture. It felt like going backwards in time rather than moving forwards. WWF felt like they were producing more new stars. WCW felt like they were going back to the old ones.
Post by 666thegame666 on Feb 26, 2013 20:28:55 GMT -5
The night people consider the turning point for the Monday Night War. I dont see it that way though. WCW still was doing decent business through the spring and nearly topped the WWF for the February PPV. The one issue people have with this is not the Finger Poke Of Doom but the Shiavione's comments about Foley and the moment it lead to 700,000 people switching to RAW to see Foley beat Rock. Overall the Nitro show sucked dick with that stupid angle with Goldberg and Elizabeth god that was some bullshit. As for Raw I remember a fun match between Al Snow and Road Dogg for the Hardcore title and Foley attacking Shane McMahon which led to Foley getting his title. shot. But the highlght of the night was Foley vs Rock were after getting screwed at Survivor Series and Rock Bottom Foley finally gets his win over Rock with the return of Steve Austin who may of got the biggest pop of all time when he makes his return following his mini vacation for injury.
The only thing that got me confused was HBK hugging Triple H, then once HBK leaves the building, I forget what Triple H said, but X-Pac said "What goes around, comes around", so they kind of knew the Coporation was outside, and HBK gets locked out, and Bossman says the best line, before HBK gets bloodied up. I'd like Kevin Kelly to answer that question about that segment. On the WCW side, Dennis Stamp was actually supposed to beat Nash, but Hogan decided that Stamp shouldn't be booked. I actually knew Mankind would win, when I read the spoiler on a wrestling website, not from WCW.