The rumble match itself, with the exception of 95, has always been my least favorite rumble. Just seemed like too much filler with the exception of the Austin-McMahon stuff. The rest of the card was ok but the WWF championship match is the only thing that stands out on this show. But damn does it stand out.
Post by lifelongwwefan on Mar 3, 2013 12:43:05 GMT -5
The Royal Rumble hits the West Coast again in Anaheim as the Road To Wrestlemania 15 is underway. We also get one of the Best Heel Themes ever in No Chance In Hell. Road Dogg & Big Bossman kick things off in a decent Opener with Bossman getting the win. Im surprised that wasn't a Hardcore Title Match either. Ken Shamrock defends his IC Title against Bad Ass Billy Gunn,I liked this Match as it seemed Bad Ass was going to win and got some help from Val Venis but Shamrock retains. X-Pac keeps his European Title against Gangrel in a short but fun Match. Sable retains her Womens Title against Luna in the Strap Match which was ok at best. The I Quit Match for the WWF Title between Mankind & The Rock is still one of the most brutal & violent Matches I have ever seen. Rock regains the WWF Title after some sick Chair shots and Foley saying I Quit or did he? Finally the Rumble Match itself is pretty entertaining overall with several highlights. Austin finally gets his hands on Mr Mcmahon but only for short time as the Corporation takes him out in the Ladies bathroom. I love Austin coming back later in the Ambulance and the look on Vince's face is priceless. Vince winning in the end still shocks me to this day and it really felt like Stone Cold was going to miss out on Wrestlemania. Overall a memorable Royal Rumble to kick off 1999,bring on St.Valentine's Day Massacre.
Where to begin? Welcome to 1999 WWE. Financially successful no doubt but as a wrestling fan since 1990, one of my least favorite years ever. Like any year it will have its highlights. This show has its own in rock vs. mankind. It's an all time brutal classic and it made rock into more than just a guy that delivers funny little catchphrases. He is officially a bad ass that can go toe to toe with anyone in a believable way. Great match that is unique in its own way. The rest of the card is king of the ring 95 bad including by far the worst rumble ever. I know opinions differ but I hate Vince winning and even had he not won it is still a horrible rumble. Welcome to the Vince Russo era of crap.
Post by stevejrogers on Mar 3, 2013 13:02:04 GMT -5
The Rumble match does get crapped on a lot. In someways I can see why, but it is entertaining in a "so bad its good" way other bad rumbles do not. At least it manages to have a clever, if albeit Russo-ific device to separate the "iron men" of the match away from rest of the stories going on, as opposed to them just lying around the ring and doing nothing for the bulk of the match.
So much has been said, written, and filmed on Rock-Mankind over the years, but it still holds up as one of the most brutal matches ever, and as I said on the Rock Bottom feedback, kind of disturbing though that the Rock came out unscathed. Not saying it should have been like The Thrilla In Manilla where after the match you couldn't tell if either Frazier or Ail had won the match, but there still is something that should be said about an I Quit Match and one of the competitors comes out looking like he just wrapped up a 3 minute Saturday Morning TV squash match.
Oh and it may have been better if Candy Pants returned with his Candy Pants garb on! Might have made his transformation a little more palatable...eh...or maybe not.
We kick off 1999 with the Royal Rumble. Dogg/Bossman was pretty dull as it should've been a hardcore match to spice things up. Shamrock/Gunn was a decent affair but a few minutes too long and Shamrock retains the gold. X-Pac/Gangrel was a good match as Pac retains the European Title. Sable/Luna strap match was pretty bad as Sable's fan helps her retain. Rock/Mankind I Quit match is still one of the most brutal matches in WWF history. In the end, Rock regains the title and Mankind is left a bloody mess. Rumble match was more about the Austin/McMahon issue as the match was one of the worst in history. We see the return of Mabel as he is taken by this new group lead by Undertaker, wonder what we'll see from them. In the end, Rock helps Vince eliminate Austin and the Corporation have kept seemingly kept him from WM. Overall, this show is mainly remembered for Rock/Mankind and the Austin/McMahon story, but it's not enough to make it a good show as we kick off what will be a rocky road to WM XV.
Post by dregenrockwell on Mar 3, 2013 16:26:52 GMT -5
I loved the WWF in 1999, but it really opened with a mixed bag.
The undercard had it's moments - Boss Man v Road Dogg was a good opener ruined by Michael Cole whining about how it wasn't a hardcore match, and the WWF title match is a match that is correctly held in high regard. Foley allowed himself to take a hell of a lot of punishment, which was brutal even without the knowledge that Foley's family were in attendance. The Rock continued to show why he was on top of the mountain at this point with his combination of aggression and comical mic skills. As for the rest of the undercard, Billy Gunn should have been nowhere near the Intercontinental title picture (although this push was an alarming sign of things to come), the Women's match was a nothing bout, and the European title match fell apart after the referee counted the 3 when Gangrel had X Pac pinned.
Once again, the WWF booked their Rumble to make it obvious that this was going to be a 2 horse race. As a result, all the Russo-ian shenanigans involving Austin being 'attacked' and Vince waiting outside was predictable build up for the finale, and none of the 28 other participants were allowed to shine. In saying that, the sight of Vince celebrating at the end was outstanding.
Boss man v Road Dogg was not only pointless but it was really shit aswell. I was just pleased to see the Boss Man pick up a PPV victory. Ken Shamrock is an absolute bad ass but I don't think him and Billy Gunn suit each other very well as the match is incredibly boring. Why am I watching Gangrel in a singles match on PPV?! No thankyou. Although there is an interesting moment where Teddy Long accidentally counts X-Pac's shoulders down for a 3 count after a botched cross body. Obviously they chose to ignore it. Did you see Kevin Kelly's handlebar moustache on this event?! Very impressive. For the most part the Mankind v Rock match is very entertaining and is also very funny. But as soon as the handcuffs come out the match is effectively over and it becomes pretty unpleasant viewing after that. You know it's getting out of hand when Jerry Lawler is begging The Rock to put the chair down. I used to despise this Rumble match due to Vince winning it but over time I have come to the conclusion it's not all bad. The highlight is definitely Vince's commentating as he is actually surprisingly funny but he really didn't need to win this and it doesn't really go anywhere afterwards. Overall this is a pretty poor Rumble event and not a great start to 1999.
Post by jpchicago23 on Mar 3, 2013 18:24:39 GMT -5
Justin Pratt aka The Vanilla Gorilla,
Rumble 99 was a decent ppv at best but it did a good job in storyline advancement. I think we will continue to see a trend in the attitude era where there aren't as many great stand alone matches but everything for the most part is at least entertaining. They focused heavily on the stories and characters and less on work rate which is at least fun to watch. The rumble itself is decent with Mcmahon Austin being the focal point and the main even was gruesome to watch but a great match nonetheless. Not too much to say about the under card aside from Xpac Gangrel being a fun short match. In the end this show was a good way to start laying down the asphalt on the road to Mania.
One of the most hyped Rumble PPV's in a long time up to this point! While workrate wise, this show is nothing to sneeze at, It's still a pretty entertaining show. There are flaws however. Road Dogg vs. Bossman should've been a hardcore match, don't know why it wasn't. Billy Gunn also should've won the IC belt from Shamrock to get a face pop of some sort on this show which unfortunately there would be little of.
Rock vs. Mankind is so brutal to watch even to this day. I remember having an uneasy feeling before watching this match live at the time thinking some crazy shit would go down & that indeed happened. I think Mick actually should've kept the title here & have Rock beaten somehow & hold on to it for a slightly longer period of time, maybe the Raw after the next PPV before Mania but again Russo was booking & the man had the attention span of an ant.
Rumble match is okay to watch, not dreadful as some might think. While Vince winning was very anger inducing at the time, it was a necessary evil. I remember my dad, who was watching the show live with me at the time, just taunting me relentlessly when Vinnie Mac won the match. I just stormed off to my room not saying a word.
Okay show overall, 5 out of 10. Although there have been worse rumble shows, this isn't one of the best either.
A chickenfried steak sandwich is the Undisputed Champion?
An awfully laid out Rumble match and a cringe inducing Title match are really the only things really worth noting about this show. I wonder if Vince loosened his grip on Russo's reins so to speak as from here until mid-summer it begins to feel more like the Russo shows we got in WCW. The Rock/Foley match got out of control in a bad way and that, coupled with Beyond the Mat really makes it hard to enjoy. As for the Rumble itself, I like the idea of Vince winning but the execution was just atrocious. If dead air is the death of good radio than multiple instances of one guy standing in the ring alone waiting for something to happen is the death of a good wrestling match. It's certainly a memorable show but that is no substitute for being a good show. Not a good start to 1999.
Post by ashcruse1978 on Mar 3, 2013 22:37:01 GMT -5
The brutal I Quit match between Rock and Mankind was great, but then again these two always had a pretty good match together. Vince winning the Rumble was wacky as hell, but from a storytelling it made a lot of sense, as we have been in a long cycle of Vince and Stone Cold screwing each other over and the bigger arc of Stone Cold trying to get back the title. I really don't recall much of the undercard at all... although it did seem like all of DX was going for or held singles titles at this time. In general 1999 felt like Russo was really running out of ideas and constantly throwing more and more ridiculous things at us. We shall see how that turns out...
The Rock/Mankind match was nuts here. I thought it really helped establish the Rock with the win, even if it was dirty. The match itself had all of those crazy chairshots, and I really though Foley was a mad man for taking them.
I didnt really like the Rumble match itself. I wasn't keen on Vince being in the rumble, and I didnt think there was much star power in this match. I mean who had a chance to win here? I'd say besides Austin, Kane, maybe HHH? Shamrock? I didnt like the swerve in the end with Vince winning, but I guess it set up the next months PPV, just wasn't a way that I particularly liked. Not really a show I would recommend, especially since I didnt like the chair shot sequence.
Rock/Mankind match was brutal, Shamrock showed us why he's the man, and X-Pac had another solid match in a run of them. I think he could be in the running for greatest Euro champion. Besides him, I think the only other guy that could make a run for it is D'Lo.
The real story, of course, was Mabel's abduction by the Ministry of Darkness. I know we were all on the edge of our seats about that one. This actually starts what I think is the most underrated run of Taker's career. I thought his character would truly reach new heights; unfortunately, it would be diffused with injuries and lame storylines.
Post by 666thegame666 on Mar 4, 2013 3:31:01 GMT -5
Ah 1999 the year I became a fan.
1. Bossman vs Road Dogg: I kinda like the idea of the first two matches having the two members of the Corporate Team take on The Outlaws. By all means this match is poor but god damn Road Dogg sure is over with that entrance though. Bossman gets the win to help strengthen the Corporation.
2. Shamrock vs Bill Gunn: Part 2 of Outlaws vs Corporation. This time the IC title is on the line. Thankfully they werent dumb enough to give Billy Gunn a singles title cos well he sucks. None the less Shamrock taps him out.
3. X-Pac vs Gangrel: 3 matches in and most of DX has wrestled. This could of been better if they had gotten more time than just 5 minutes. Pac wins and it feels like Gangrel is just not getting momentum besides that entrance.
4. Sable vs Luna: My god this is fucking awful. I know Russo had is thing for Sable but did they need to give her that belt to have a lengthy reign cos she is an awful worker. Amazingly they remember having Luna on the roster and that she wrestled and didn't just hang around with the Oddities. Despite how Good Luna is she cant get a good match out of Sable.
5. The Rock vs Mankind: Alright the one match on the under card people care about. We all know the story from Beyond The Mat with Foleys wife and kids watching him get his skull smashed in by the Rock and it adds a lot to the match when re-watching it. The match continues the peak the Rock/Foley feud up from Survivor Series which seems to get better with each match. Rock regains the belt after smashing Foleys head in with 11 chair shots which results in Foley yelling I Quit. Or Does it?
6. 30 Man Royal Rumble: I wont take to long with the Rumble. So the main story is Austin vs The Corporation. Austin kicks the living shit out of Vince then gets his ass kicked by the Corporation in the bathroom to take him out of the match. King Diabetes/Candy Girl makes a return only to get sacrificed to Satan or the Illuminati or something. Anyway Austin makes his way back to the Arena in an Ambulance as Vince looks on in shock while doing commentary. Austin then cleans house and looks to have won his 3rd straight Rumble like Larry Bird with 3 straight MVPs. Rock comes out and eggs on Austin as Vince eliminates him to win the 1999 Royal Rumble and to piss off 95% of Fans watching.
In the end this is a one match show. Rock an Foley is the only great thing on this card. The rumble is a mess of mid carders who over had no legit chance of winning a title shot at Wrestlemania besides Austin.
1. Big Bossman def Road Dogg ** 2. Ken Shamrock def Billy Gunn *¼ 3. X-Pac def Gangrel **½ 4. Sable def Luna Vachon DUD 5. Rock def Mankind ***¾ 6. Vince McMahon wins 30 Man Royal Rumble *½
While this card can get some bad raps, I have always had a soft spot for this Rumble. A storyline driven card that seemed to be more about The Corporation's desire to dominate the company than about in-ring action. Bossman and Roaddogg kick us off, but not for the hardcore title. I can only suspect that they were afraid of having too much hardcore stuff with what would happen in the WWF Title match. An average starter due to the competitors. Ken Shamrock looks awesome as he crushes Billy Gunn and destroys his ankle in our next encounter. We then get a break from DX vs the Corporation as X-Pac meets Gangrel in a solid match. Not sure why Gangrel was in here- it seemed to be a move away from the storyline of the rest of the show. The Sable and Luna stink the house out in possibly the worst strap match ever.
Then the show-stealer hits. Mankind and Rock have an amazing match, with great brawling all over the place. The chair shots are brutal, and I'm surprised Mankind was not legitimately knocked out. The finish is innovative and fits what has happened in previous matches between the two, and keeps both men strong.
Then we have the Rumble. a one-story match, with Austin and McMahon carrying it. Another innovative storyline here, with Austin's "injury", and McMahon then sitting at ringside until Stone Cold returned. The drawback here is that with Rock and Mankind in the earlier match and Undertaker not competing, there was only 3 legitimate players in the match- Austin, Kane and Triple H. All the Corporate and DX hitters arrive late, and McMahon shocks us all in another cool finish. While the in-ring product may have struggled here, the storylines and finishes certainly helped make it enjoyable.
Now for my little Rumble Story- I was on holidays in the US (from Australia) that night, and was staying in Anaheim the night of this Rumble. My mate and I went to get a late drink that night, and as we entered the bar, I noticed Bradshaw and Farooq eating dinner. I mentioned it to my friend, who was not a Wrestling fan and didn't care, so I went over and quickly said hi to them, without trying to annoy them or come across as a stupid fan. They gave me the polite nod and hi, and I left them alone to eat their dinner. Great little moment for a young Aussie.
Ryan Howard (It's been quite awhile since I've commented. Sorry, I've been busy with Spring Training)
I wondered why the opener wasn't a Hardcore match. I re-watched the match & when Cole said Road Dogg found his niche in the Hardcore division & why this wasn't a title match, Lawler said "So you're suspicious they didn't stack the deck in Road Dogg's favor?" That makes absolutely no sense seeing as Bossman was the Hardcore champ prior. Only logical reason is to make the Tag champs both look strong in singles action.
Can't figure out what's worse, the Sable/Luna strap match or the Shane McMahon commentary on it?
Trying to figure out if I would have a different opinion on the Rock/Foley match had it not been a focal point of Beyond the Mat? His wife & kids crying, the backstage stitching up of Foley after, it all just makes it, for lack of a better term, too real.
Looking back at the Rumble, I always thought it was a great theme & ending, but the entrants were pretty weak. Not 95 weak, but there were no threats to moving on to Wrestlemania for the main event. At one point Droz, Edge, Severn, Blackman, Meanie & Tiger Ali Singh were in the ring. You could hear a pin drop in the crowd during that point.
It would be one of the Bottom 5 all time Rumble matches for me, but this was the Attiude Era & I was a teen, meaning anything they put out there, I'd love. Rock/Foley will always be remembered, but not as memorable, as one of my favorite vignettes of ALL TIME...
Looking back i think the rumble match gets crapped on is for two reasons. Number one it was laid out abysmally and they repeat this formula a few more times.
Number two is important, the finish was ALWAYS Austin v McMahon....so with a fonish in a rumble already selected one could argue well no one else was good enough. Well no its more stacked than the last 4 rumbles with DX, The Corporation, Kane, Owen, Jarrett, goldust, al snow, venis and team sexual protection (henry and brown) accounting for over half the field. So it isnt a rumble without good strong talent in it. It was just a foregone conclusion.
The i quit match has already had enough said about it and rhe undercard is passable to flat.
One of my favorite and one of my go to Rumbles to watch. Bossman/Dogg was a decent opener, however it should of been for the Hardcore title. Shamrock/Gunn as well a decent match. Gunn was gutsy to still compete in the Rumble match despite the ankle injury, kudos to him. Gangrel/X-Pac again was decent. Nice to see Gangrel go for a title here as well. Sable/Luna was awful however Shane McMahon's commentary was hilarious..."The lovely Luna"...Right Shane, go home you're drunk. Rock/Mankind is one of the greatest title matches in Rumble history and if you ask me, definately the best I quit match in WWF history. Mankind taking all those brutal chair shots are hard to watch nowadays but they were brutal back then as well. The spot of Mankind falling into the cirucit board was sick. The Rumble match is great. The timing was great for everything relating to the McMahon/Austin storyline and really made me wonder how they pulled everything off while the match was going on. Best part though was a sign in the crowd that read "McMahon's on juice" and Lawler responded to it and said "HE'S NOT ON JUICE EITHER, GET OUT OF HERE!" Cracks me up every time. Definately a must see Rumble.
Post by Half an Onionloaf on Mar 5, 2013 9:04:30 GMT -5
I thought I'd posted on this already. Whatever.
I actually like this event quite a bit, which seems kind of weird looking at it on paper: none of these matches outside Mankind/Rock look like they'll even be passable. It's odd, but the undercard works for me. Road Dogg/Bossman and Luna/Sable were both weaker matches, though I wouldn't consider either of them terrible. Shamrock/Gunn was more or less a fun showing since Shamrock got to be a badass the whole time. LOVED Shamrock in this heartless/murderer role. Gunn didn't do himself any favors, but standing up to Kenny at this point made him look strong. X-Pac/Gangrel is a throwaway title match (the fact that such a term exists is troubling to say the least) that delivers for the short time given to it. It was kind of heatless, but X-Pac is on top of his game and he should be on cloud nine because every match he was in around this time turned to gold.
Mankind/Rock... lot of mixed feelings there. The match is hard to watch at the end; however, I felt that way before the whole Beyond the Mat stuff (I didn't see that until a few years ago). The match is brutal. I don't remember if it was here where Foley takes a back drop and hits his leg on a table or if that's next month. Either way, seeing that made my teeth chatter. Some of the bumps Foley took in these matches were just sick; he should've been dead, had major injuries, or been paralyzed several times over. Even with its violence quotient, there's a good story here and you really believed there was hate between these two characters. A feud that's remembered with reverie and deservedly so.
The Rumble match wasn't very good and had a lot of stupid nonsense in it: Kane getting hauled away, Chyna being in the Rumble, stalker Mark Henry, and, of course, Vince's big win. I don't hate the Vince win because it seemed like a decent idea at the time... years down the road, not so much. I think this would have been better served with Austin coming in at one and then having Vince find a way to get #30, leaving the suspense with Austin trying to survive a whole cavalcade of Vince's cronies to get to him. THAT would've been great!
But all of that is just a sidebar to the REAL news of the Rumble: Poor Maybeline was abducted by the Undertaker! I can't tell you how worried I was at the time and the horror I felt later when our darling Maybeline became the dreaded Viscera.
This would start a woefully underrated run for the Undertaker--as a character. The in ring work and storylines would be spotty at best for him, but, as a character, Taker would reach new perverse heights with his satanic gimmick. I loved it, still love it, and wish it would return. Love heel Taker.
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This PPV always stands out to me as the first time I was actually mad after a show. As a 14 year old I was so convinced that Stone Cold was going to win, I remember being legit mad when Vince screwed him over. Looking back on it now it was perfect booking because I bought the next 3 shows in a row to watch Vince get his ass kicked.
Rock/Mankind is hard to watch knowing everything that has happened since with head injuries and what-not but damn Mick could take a bump.
Star-wise this show may not be ranked so highly but seeing as how I can still remember so much of it all this time later I'd say it made a good impression.
Post by mikefurlongnyg10 on Mar 6, 2013 1:09:59 GMT -5
In my opinion this was a pretty blah show to kick off the year. The undercard was decent enough with the world title match standing out...although yes it is a difficult watch knowing what we know now. The Rumble match is always my favorite event of the year and this one in my opinion was one of the poorest. Somewhat of a weak field is hurt even more by Stonecold's long absence from the match and to come back by driving the ambulence in less then an hour felt kind of hokey. I get the story they were trying to tell, but I think the match could have been infinitely more entertaining and accomplished the same goal if Stonecold had gone bell to bell and Vince entered number 30 with the same ending.